we've got a real debt and deficit problem. we need to be serious about it, while we protect the middle class. i'm hopeful we can find some combination of an increase in rates for the wealthy, some limitation on deductions for the wealthy and some kind of means testing for medicare that would -- you know, we don't need to be buying donald trump's prescription drugs, chris. we can do this -- >> for a number of reasons. >> for a number of reasons, although he may need the drugs we don't need to be buying them. we need to also look at spending cuts across the board. maybe not as -- with a 2x4 like sequestration but we need to look at spending cuts. all those things need to be on the table and we need to quit trying to play politics with this and get it done. >> let me ask you a question on the social front. john mccain the other day, and i think i read him clearly on one of the sunday shows with chris wallace, he said basically -- read him this way, abortion rights shouldn't be a partisan issue. do you think that's an issue that s